Clifford Earl Stone January 2nd 1949 - February 10th 2021 ( 72 years old )
Passed away peacefully with his family present.
AN INTERVIEW WITH SERGEANT
In the Spring of 1989,
UFO UNIVERSE published an article by Robert W. Boyajian, titled "CONQUEST EARTH ?? A SHOCKING LOOK INSIDE THE GOVERNMENT
- ALIEN EXCHANGE PROGRAM" (Interview
with Sergeant Clifford Stone )
"In the course of my UFO investigations,
I established contact with Aileen Edwards, Director of the UFO Contact Centre
International, Seattle, Washington."
"As a result of our conversations,
Aileen placed me in touch with Sergeant Clifford Earl Stone of the United
States Army, who was stationed at Roswell, New Mexico, which is near the
site of the most famous crash-UFO case of all time which allegedly took
place in 1947, and involved the recovery of several alien bodies by the
"What I have found
out by speaking with Sergeant Stone can only be labelled ''sensational."
But before we get to the
main body of our interview, I should point out that much of his testimony
can now be verified by others connected with the intelligence community.
For example, recently there was aired on national television a two hour
special, 'UFO COVERUP - LIVE FROM WASHINGTON.' Among the most interesting
features of this program were the on-the-air confessions of two mysterious
individuals whose true identities remain a secret, but who go by the code
names 'Falcon' and 'Condor.' Their faces were hidden at all times, and their
voices altered through a muting device. From what I have discovered, however,
Falcon is an OSI agent, while Condor is a scientist working for the U.S.
"On the show, Condor told of a
deal the government made with the aliens: 'Essentially, the agreement says
that we won't disclose your existence if you won't interfere in our society,
and we allow you to operate from a designated base in the United States.'
It's in the state of Nevada, in an area called Area 51. Extraterrestrials
have complete control of the base. My understanding is that three different
aliens of the same species has resided in the U.S. from 1948 or 1949 until
the present day. The first alien was captured in the New Mexican desert
after its craft crashed. The alien, which was named EBE by the government
was kept in captivity for three years and we learned a great deal of information
about the alien's race, culture and spacecraft. The second alien was part
of an exchange program. The third alien was also part of an exchange program
and has been the "guest" of the U.S. government since 1982.'
"....this knowledge has long been
classified at exceedingly high levels, and has not been released even though
various court battles have been fought to obtain the truth under the Freedom
of Information Act.
briefing document was a 'leak'
made by sources unknown, there have been several others, and yet further
revelations have been promised by those working inside the 'establishment'
who are convinced the public must be told EVERYTHING and NOW!....
The 1989 interview between Mr.
Boyajion of UFO UNIVERSE and Sgt. Stone went as follows:
"UFO UNIVERSE (UU) : In reference
to Condor's statement about Area 51 in the state of Nevada, what do you
personally feel about this in your studies?
"CLIFFORD STONE (CS) : I believe
that the American people has a right to know what is going on...
"UU: Do you feel there's a war going
on perhaps between different types of aliens?
"CS: Yes, I do. I believe what is presently termed
the 'greys' may very well be the (entities) that the U.S. government has
the pact with right now, and they are not necessarily the 'good guys.'
"UU: Do you feel that these "grey"
guys are evil?
are some things I prefer not to talk about. But I'll tell you this much. First, I believe that there is a God. And I firmly believe that God made man and all
intelligent life to be a free agent, to chose HIS own validity. Abductions are REAL. Abductions are taking place. People are being
forced to undergo - partake in various experiments - for whatever reason
by our alien visitors.
"UU: What else would give you the impression that
these guys are evil, cut and dry? Is there a case you can cite?
"CS: O.K., this is supposition. One gentleman who was doing research into it reported a military
intrusion on an alien base, right here in New Mexico. Well, the military
tried to go in and take over the base (It was mentioned that a similar event
took place in Nevada). Sixty-six servicemen were supposedly killed there.
The aliens had the base, it was an underground base and allegedly the military
sent in some of their elite forces, probably equated to a Delta force, elite,
anti-terrorist force, if you wish.
"CS: Well, it was part of the allegedly secret
agreement that we would let them have bases, therefore we knew about the
base. There was some type of argument that broke out between our people
and the aliens.
"UU: So there are many bases throughout the country?
"CS: There are rumours of many bases. Given that
these stories are true, I think that they probably have 12 or fewer bases.
The greys may have various, let's say, hideouts. As far as their actual
full scale operational bases, there's probably 12 or fewer.
"UU: And where are you getting your information?
"CS: From, we'll say, other researchers that wish
to remain sort of silent.
"UU: What position are you in the army at present?
"CS: I'm in an ROTC assignment.
"UU: How long have you been in the army?
"CS: Twenty years.
"UU: Your friends who remain anonymous are within
the different services of the government I take it?
"CS: Well, for example, I was stationed at an Air
Force base and one guy went and came to my home and identified himself as
a fighter pilot and told me about an aircraft that he was piloting. I believe
it was over the Pacific Ocean. Anyhow, it got real dark all of a sudden.
He reported looking up and he and the other crew members saw what they described
as a vehicle that was 3 miles long (Three miles in a circular expansion).
As far as I know it stayed with them for 15 or 20 minutes and then went
straight over the aircraft and got out in front of them and shot straight
up, out of sight.
"UU: Where did you derive the idea that our government
is making deals with aliens? What gave you this type of notion?
"CS: The Snowbird document. This document refers to us making primitive contact with the aliens
in 1959. On April 25, 1964, we managed to carry on a 3 hour conversation
which was the onset of the agreement at a base here in New Mexico. I believe
that base was Holloman Air Force Base. The agreement involving an exchange
of technology and our silence. By going ahead and not having any interference
with the aliens, in exchange they gave us the technology and we agreed to
keep quiet about their presence. That right there is sinister in itself.
"UU: How do you mean sinister in itself?
"CS: We have to go back to the
abductions. For some reason they don't want the people to remember what
happened. Well here you have people who had contact with alien beings, who
have lost everything. They've went ahead and have family problems, they've
lost their jobs, a lot of them have become reclusive, they have mental problems
because they can't cope with what happened to them. They know that they've
had some type of experience, but a lot of the time they would have nightmares.
They can't explain these.
"UU: Because it was
repressed in their subconscious?
"CS: Correct. Maybe by design,
or it may be just because the body's own self-defensive mechanism is trying
to cope with something that is beyond it's comprehension...
"UU: What about the benevolent beings that are
said to exist, who abide by higher laws that do not allow them to interfere
- aren't they trying to help?
"CS: The good guys
are, well, I like to refer to them as being nomadic. What you're talking
about, about the non-intervention with other intelligent life forms is a
universal law. The nomadics go along with that. The greys violated the universal
"UU: What else can you say about the benevolent
"CS: They have a high regard for life. I believe,
shall we say, 'the good forces,' they don't really want any interaction
with us. They choose to just go ahead and just observe.
"UU: Silent guardians. So it seems what they're
trying to do is balance what the greys imbalanced.
"CS: I would agree with that...
"UU: When you were describing that there are approximately
3 different types of hostile aliens from Zeta Reticuli, would you describe
further what you mean by that?
"CS: At present time, I believe that
the government has identified several groups. We break these down by EBE
(extraterrestrial biological entities) type 1,2,3 - I think we are about
up to 7 that have been identified (however, as Lear and others indicate,
these seem to fall into either the reptilian or human categories - Branton).
Well...seven types of space travellers, or inter-dimensional travellers,
if you wish. When I refer to inter- dimensional travel, I am referring,
utilising the Einsteinian, Rosen, Bridges for that travel... I'm going to
tell you the situation as I understand now. The greys will eventually come forth and try to state that they
created Christ. This is not the case. They did not create Christ. Christ
was and is a divine entity. He was sent here by the Creator, not the Creator
of just the world, but the universe...
I believe that they (the greys) are involved with the actual cattle
mutilations. Now there are some copycats, and the government tries to get
mileage off the copycats, and the government
may have even went ahead and staged some - just to throw off the extraterrestrial
"UU: Can you give more detail... regarding
the greys, the subtleties ahead, and how to avoid any mishap?
"CS: You mean how to identify if your
working with a good guy or bad guy? For one thing there are the religious
(activities) the bad guys are not happy with. For example, there was an
instance where they tried to pick up a farmer...he started to pray and they
couldn't take him aboard the craft... He kept praying and finally they gave
up trying to abduct him. There was also an incident in Vietnam where a UFO
set down in a field. It terrorised some of the villagers, and there was
a soldier who was out visiting his girlfriend, who would later become his
wife. Anyhow, he got tied up there and the UFO was trying to convince some
of the people they should go. It wanted to take some of the people. The
soldier stood his ground and wouldn't let the entities do it. The M16 that
the soldier had was impervious to the aliens, but the cross that he always wore, and he always carried a Bible,
they had regard for that. Finally, they gave up and
decided not to try to take any of the people...
"UU: What type of mentality are we dealing with
when we're talking about the secret deals made with ETs?
"CS: Let's go back and look at what happened as
far as our deepening involvement at the onset of the Vietnam war. Take a
look at what happened with the Iran affair. The situation is that there
are elements within our government that sometimes act all on their own without
congressional restraints, which ultimately affects the entire American population.
In this case, it will ultimately have an affect on the entire population
of the world. Up until about 1985, I would not have believed any of this.
As a result of coming into contact with the
I am left with no recourse but to believe that we have made
these agreements - rightly or wrongly. I believe what is going to eventually
happen is that they will make themselves known and immediately go ahead
and try to destroy society as we know society...
"UU: On the broadcast 'UFO COVERUP LIVE', they
spoke of an exchange program where we sent two of our guys up into their
crafts. This aspect of the exchange program, do you feel any of this is
"CS: It follows accepted diplomatic procedures.
"UU: What is the purpose of revealing this information
at this time?
"CS: I think it's to try to prepare
the American public for the ultimate disclosure of the existence of the
alien beings. I think there is the effort for the good guys to make contact
with the people within our government, but I think now what is happening
is that the U.S. government learned in 1983 or thereabout that they are
NOT dealing with the good guys, but really don't know what to do about it.
"UU: So how can they get out of this? What would
your suggestion be?
"CS: Well, my suggestion would be to stand up to
the greys. Let them know that this is a free society, that we are not going
to sit back and let anyone - be they from outer space or some other foreign
country - convert the people of the United States.
"UU: You said that the government
didn't know that they were dealing with the bad guys at first. How would
the government figure out that these entities were evil? What would make
them think that? What would make them decide all of a sudden?
"CS: Let us suppose that we make
a deal with a group of aliens. Among
other things we agreed that they can have prearranged bases. We will provide
security and we will not acknowledge their existence to the general public.
In return, they're going to go ahead and carry on certain experimentations,
gathering various minerals, getting various flora, various animal life.
They're also going to go ahead and conduct some experiments or some research
on human beings. Now this troubles us because we don't want that to get
out of hand, so we bargain a little deeper and we come to the agreement
that, okay, if you abduct anyone we need to know who they are so that if
there are any problems in the future we can go ahead and take care of those
people who may need medical or psychological attention, so we can assist
with this. They say, fine, we will provide you with say a list of all abductees.
Later, we find out that they are providing us with maybe a hundred or two
hundred abductions maybe every couple of months, but we discover that the
number is really into the thousands. We also find out that this scientific
curiosity is also being used to tag these people, i.e. the implants, and
we are not being told why they are doing this. Now we no longer have control
over the abductions. We might even find that there might even be a scarier
aspect to it - let's say some of these abductees appear to be 'sleepers,'
there is some type of information that they're being fed, a post-hypnotic
suggestion for lack of a better term. But don't think that this is hypnotic
at all - it's not. It is a very much advanced technological process. Anyhow,
they are being told at a certain time, a certain place in the future, they
are going to be required to recall things that they are being told at this
time, right toward the end of the experimentation or whatever is going on.
However, alien forces want this to be kept so secret that if you try to
pull this out of them while they're under hypnosis, it will cause the body
functions to become under stress.
"UU: Have there been
any intervention with the benevolent beings in this matter?
"CS: I WOULD SAY THAT WE KNOW OF SEVERAL, SHOULD
WE SAY, INTERGALACTIC FIGHTS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE - DOGFIGHTS.
"UU: An obvious dispute among aliens
themselves? What do you feel was the outcome?
"CS: The good won.Right now I think that the good are trying to 'build up their forces.'
I think the greys were very concerned about the crash at Roswell,
New Mexico, because we had something that they were identifying as a weapons
system - and that was a very strong radar tracking system. They lost several
ships to that. The aliens initially, having identified that as a weapons
system of ours, adjusted their craft so that the high powered radar would
not cause on-board difficulties. The greys assisted in keeping the story
quiet about the Roswell incident without - how can I put this - 'open contact'
with the government at that time (Note: This is conceivable as radar operates
through powerful electromagnetic rays and thus may have an adverse affect
on a craft utilising electromagnetic propulsion or operational systems -
He had his life threatened if he tried to go ahead and break the story.
He's maintained silence ever since. He's talked a couple of times, but will
never come out and fully tell the whole story.
"UU: Did any of the occupants make themselves known
to our people at that time?
"CS: Here again, I'd have to go
back to the reporter who was approached by an entity. And I don't think
the entity that he was approached by was of this Earth. It was your classic
MIB saying, 'Look, stay out of this one!' Point blank he was told, 'If you
try to break the story, you'll die.' Around that time we also started to
lose jet aircraft that were sent aloft to intercept UFOs. Most of the time
these were written off as aircraft having malfunctioned that caused their
crash. Some of the aircraft simply vanished without a trace. One incident
happened here in Roswell, probably early 1950s. The family still lives here.
Two aircraft were sent aloft to intercept a UFO and make the identification
of the object as picked up on radar. One plane returned. To this day, one
plane and a pilot never returned.
"UU: Is there any information in reference to the
joint operations that such a govt.- alien alliance is doing beneath the
"CS: Supposition (is) there's a lot of genetic
work going on down there. For example, there have been people who have claimed
to have been taken to underground installations where they observed comatose
people in these underground installations. There are also reports of various
vats with human parts. One woman reported seeing what appeared as a very
Earthly male who was in a vat of some type of fluid in one of the underground
installations. Quite a few of the people have alleged that they have been
taken to these underground installations and have been kept there for days.
"UU: And why were they let free once they knew
of such an installation, let's say, if they're trying to hush that up?
"CS: The vast majority, the man on the street isn't
going to believe them anyhow. There are allegations that some are either
military or working with the government that were brought down there.
"UU: Are you saying that you are not very clear
on what goes on down there? You've never met anyone who had anymore to say
"CS: I'm saying I can't be very clear.
"UU: In other words, it's a little too intense
to talk about?
"CS: Yes. I have an interest in UFOs and I've had
to recently go through one heck of a battle with the military to express
my first amendment right to voice my dissatisfaction with the U.S. government
keeping this information suppressed. There are certain things that even
as a private citizen that I have to be very careful about suggesting.
"UU: What part of the government would have jurisdiction
in association with these aliens?
"CS: They would probably be the National Security
Agency, they report directly to the National Security Council. As a matter
of fact, it sets in on the National Security Council.
"UU: Are there people within this agency that realise
that they've gotten into a little mess?
"CS: Yes, I think so. I think right now those that
are in the know are sort of divided as to whether they should go public
or try to keep it secret. The TV show 'UFO COVERUP', wasn't really well
handled. They didn't really know how to go about bringing out the information
that they do have. The situation is that of a programming process, the government
wanted some of that information to be released. That I feel is a fact. Now
they took that program from Washington and they really wanted to see what
the reaction of the American society would be as a whole. How we would react
to it. If the U.S. government ever comes forth and states - and eventually
I feel within a very few short years, possibly even months - they're going
to have to do that. They're going to have to come out and say that UFOs
are a reality.
"UU: I heard you were going to Germany?
"CS: I will be separated from my family for at
least two years as a result of it. They were going to put me out of the
Army because of my interest in UFOs. I want to stay in right now - when
I get out I want it to be my choice, not because they forced me out. Are
you aware that this is a very, very hard subject matter? I mean it's so
far out in left field I avoid it...but I'll bring it up anyhow. Do you know
that there are reports that some of the alien ships do a harvest of the
souls? In other words, they feed off the living energy, which is in fact
the living soul.
"UU: Have you read Budd Hopkins' books?
"CS: Yes, I read both Budd Hopkins'
books. Budd is very close to the truth, but
the full truth is a horror story that is beyond any science fiction that
you have ever read.
"UU: Are there entities
of the more benevolent sort that are abducting people?
"CS: That's correct.
What they do, I would say, that they have more of a scientific curiosity
(referring her to the blondes? - Branton).
"UU: They have more
of a compassion, you would say?
"CS: Correct. As a
matter of fact, if there was a situation where you had a weapon that could
kill them and they could not escape, other than do you harm, they would
permit themselves to be killed. The situation with
the abduction cases, in dealing with the bad guys, is that they will go
ahead and make a person try to recall the bad times of their lives. Then
the people relive those experiences, they go back to the way they felt when
that experience was happening, they bring to mind the things they fear the
most, they bring this out because they actually absorb something similar
to osmosis these feelings that they actually feed off of. (i.e. feed off
of our fear? - Branton)
"UU: So you're saying that these particular entities
that are working in this fashion are the very entities that our government
made these deals with?
"UU: Are the people within these government installations
who are working with these entities experiencing such traumas, or are they
"CS: I don't think that they are
experiencing trauma because they need those people as part of the grand
deception. Keep in mind, while they're dealing with them on the physical
plane they're also actually dealing with an interdimensional phenomenon.
"UU: Like an astral phenomenon?
"UU: ...Do you think that the government is dealing
with two types of aliens?
"CS: I definitely
think that they are dealing with two types of entities, but you've got to
keep in mind one thing - the good guys are not going to give us anything
to kill our fellow man.
"UU: If you were to
see this in an article, is there something that you would like to say?
"CS: Definitely. 'Shut me up and shut
the other people up that are like me. Go ahead and have an unbiased congressional
investigation into the UFO matter. Give across the board immunity to any
and all service members and civilian government workers who have any knowledge
of crashed retrieval aircraft or underground bases to let them come talk
freely to a congressional committee on UFOs so that they might talk and
clear the air. Get it out that UFOs are a reality. They are here now, they
have underground bases. If they go ahead and grant that immunity you'll
have people come forth and talk. But
they will not talk unless that immunity is granted.
Now if I'm wrong - go ahead and offer it, set up a committee, a congressional
committee to hear all the evidence, weigh all the facts - then it's a put up or shut up proposition.'
"UU: Why haven't the
aliens just simply infiltrated in relation to these government deals.
"CS: The U.S. government
may believe that there's no defence and that they are highly evolved and
technologically superior to us. There are those of us, however, that firmly
believe - or should I say know - that there are defences against these folks.
In unity there is strength. That strength is derived from knowledge. The
knowledge that must be had is the knowledge of the truth. With the truth we can
go ahead and combat these entities..."